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Expertise: Real Estate: Apartments
Locale: Binghamton, NY
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Re: Buying a Gas Station
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Nov 30th, 2009, 02:37 PM
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Hey Luke!
I've got to agree with Montexan on this -- especially the environmental issues. Leaky tanks can come with bills in the $100,000 - $250,000 range. And those are generally Federal issues -- not state.
Even if they aren't leaky, they usually need to be tested regularly. And occasionally, you'll need to replace them. That means digging up a huge area around the tank, creating a new lined storage area for the tanks, purchasing new tanks, installing monitoring equipment, and more. Not cheap.
Likewise, you'll be VERY lucky to get a bank to look at this deal. They'll want Phase I and Phase II environmental tests at a minimum. With the marketplace for banking being what it is right now, this could be a very tough sell.
And the bank WILL require the tax returns in order to do any financing. For some reason, business sellers always think they can sell a business that loses money on a tax basis for a big valuation based on the "real profits".
So they want to hide the tax returns, because they are going to have to explain why the $90k you are assuming shows as a $100,000 loss on the tax return. They'll come up with all sorts of reasons -- theft, the economy, personal stuff run through the business, and more.
You want to buy the business based on the real profits, so if they can show you invoices for repairs to their home that they billed to the company, that's one thing. But if they are vague, forget about it. They are lying.
Ditto for theft. If they had theft, what makes you think you won't? And even if you can prevent it, why would you want to pay the SELLER for your hard work?
Try this. If they claim the place should easily make you $80,000 per year, ask them to finance the business 100%. Tell them you are willing to pay them $280,000 over 7 years, at 0% interest. The first $40,000 of profits goes to you. They next $40,000 goes to them. Any thing above that gets split 50/50.
If you make seven $40,000 payments, they walk away with $280,000. If you make $100,000 in a year, they get $50,000 and the loan gets paid back quicker. But if it only makes $30,000 in a year, they get nothing that year, and the note becomes an 8-year note.
My guess is that they won't want to take a risk on a "sure thing" like that, even though they'll get an extra $80,000 because they know the business won't work. They want you to trust them, but they don't want to trust you.
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