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To this day, the willingness of a Wall Street investment bank to pay me hundreds of thousands of dollars to dispense investment advice to grownups remains a mystery to me. I was 24 years old, with no experience of, or particular interest in, guessing which stocks and bonds would rise and which would fall. The essential function of Wall Street is to allocate capital—to decide who should get it and who should not. Believe me when I tell you that I hadn’t the first clue.

I’d never taken an accounting course, never run a business, never even had savings of my own to manage. I stumbled into a job at Salomon Brothers in 1985 and stumbled out much richer three years later, and even though I wrote a book about the experience, the whole thing still strikes me as preposterous—which is one of the reasons the money was so easy to walk away from. I figured the situation was unsustainable. Sooner rather than later, someone was going to identify me, along with a lot of people more or less like me, as a fraud. Sooner rather than later, there would come a Great Reckoning when Wall Street would wake up and hundreds if not thousands of young people like me, who had no business making huge bets with other people’s money, would be expelled from finance.

When I sat down to write my account of the experience in 1989—Liar’s Poker, it was called—it was in the spirit of a young man who thought he was getting out while the getting was good. I was merely scribbling down a message on my way out and stuffing it into a bottle for those who would pass through these parts in the far distant future.

Unless some insider got all of this down on paper, I figured, no future human would believe that it happened.

I thought I was writing a period piece about the 1980s in America. Not for a moment did I suspect that the financial 1980s would last two full decades longer or that the difference in degree between Wall Street and ordinary life would swell into a difference in kind. I expected readers of the future to be outraged that back in 1986, the C.E.O. of Salomon Brothers, John Gutfreund, was paid $3.1 million; I expected them to gape in horror when I reported that one of our traders, Howie Rubin, had moved to Merrill Lynch, where he lost $250 million; I assumed they’d be shocked to learn that a Wall Street C.E.O. had only the vaguest idea of the risks his traders were running. What I didn’t expect was that any future reader would look on my experience and say, “How quaint.”

I had no great agenda, apart from telling what I took to be a remarkable tale, but if you got a few drinks in me and then asked what effect I thought my book would have on the world, I might have said something like, “I hope that college students trying to figure out what to do with their lives will read it and decide that it’s silly to phony it up and abandon their passions to become financiers.” I hoped that some bright kid at, say, Ohio State University who really wanted to be an oceanographer would read my book, spurn the offer from Morgan Stanley, and set out to sea.

Somehow that message failed to come across. Six months after Liar’s Poker was published, I was knee-deep in letters from students at Ohio State who wanted to know if I had any other secrets to share about Wall Street. They’d read my book as a how-to manual.
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Thread moved ... awesome read!!!
 
 
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Man -- that is good stuff! One of my best friends from work shared an apartment with Michael Lewis in NY in the 1980's during all of the stuff that he wrote about in Liar's Poker (I have a signed copy on my shelf right now from Mike, signed - "To Carl -- the big swinging dick!" haha...

He said those were the best times of his life. My buddy worked at Goldman and made $3 mil in just a few short years and was able to retire and start over in another career that gave him more fulfillment.

24 year olds getting paid to pick stocks... And you wonder why I stand by my previous statements that investing in the stock market is a form of gambling.

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Highly recommended, enjoy.


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Nice train read !! Thanks
 
 
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Thanks. I guess I am a little more excited/concerned about this than others? Would be glad to hear your feedback guys.

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I guess I am a little more excited/concerned about this than others? Would be glad to hear your feedback guys.
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The End

Do you want us to combine the threads?

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This article was very informative and engaging. Even though I didn't understand alot of the terminology, it helped me understand the madness and the greed that controlled much of Wall Street.

Rawr what does it mean to sell short? or to short a company?

I'M AMAZED THAT THESE RATING AGENCIES SEEM TO BE IN THE MIDDLE OF ALL OF THIS. HOW ARE THEY JUSTIFYING TURNING BBB LOANS INTO AAA-RATED BONDS? SHOULDNT THEY BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE AS WELL?

Its even more clear that the government took the tax payers money to bail out crooks that were playing GAMES (high risk ) with money that they didnt have........OMGGGGGGGGGGGG
 
 
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The link below goes into detail (it's a radio show) on exactly how low grade high risk mortgages were bundled into high-grade low-risk AAA bonds:

Crash Course: Current Economy - Millionaire Entrepreneur Forum

Getting through both shows takes about 2 hours. Worth downloading as a podcast.

Excellent, excellent material-- complicated stuff that is explained very well.

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The End of Wall Street's Boom - National Business News - Portfolio.com

WoW. What a great read that is. It explains the whole financial meltdown from the perspective of a few cynical traders from back in the day. How they saw it coming and found that they were in fact pawns in the whole thing and couldn't do a thing to stop it.

Fantastic read IMHO.
 
 
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OK, I combined all three threads about this one article.

It is a good read. Just ironic that 3 different people have started threads on this-- within a matter of days!

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oh thanks russ! I guess I was so excited after reading it I didn't thoroughly check for other threads. Honestly, I wasn't even sure what sub forum this belonged in. Thanks again!
 
 
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No worries.

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Good Lord!!! That really puts things into perspective.

This is why I have always believed that real estate is the most sound investment. Of course, only if you can afford it and you buy at the right price.
 
 
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