[PurEnergy]

Hello Russ,

I believe the term "It depends" can be used in any situation where there is an option.

I am not trying to offend anyone. And as I stated I've paid plenty for the education that I have. Some good some bad. I will probably spend at least a few thousand more this year. I also have most of Roberts books and would spend the money 100X for a couple of them. It's his business and who am I to say what direction he takes it in.

I just think people need to be VERY selective as to where they spend thier money on education these days. It is buyer beware now more than ever.

Maybe I'm still a little uptight. I spent 1hr and 45min on the phone with Sprint today trying to resolve a two month old fraud issue. Somebody bought three phones on my account in November and it's still not resolved. As I'm into my second hour on the phone with them I see on the television that Sprint has lost 683,000 wireless customers and is laying off 4000 employees. I got disconnected at the 1hr and 45min mark. This is in addition to about 4 more hours on the phone over the last two months.

[Russ H]

PurEnergy-

I suppose I should have started out by saying that I agree with you.

No offense taken.

I have learned much from RK's books and earlier CDs/tapes. The man helped me see the world with different eyes. For that, I am grateful.

But Robert Kiysaki putting on a seminar about changing your attitude? Considering how he treated us last year, I find this both ironic, and delightfully amusing!

-Russ H.

[andviv]

We've discussed training and seminars in a couple of other threads here in the forum. Do a search and you can see the opinions over there, but in general terms we do agree.

The reason many pay any amount of money for any training is because they believe this will give them what they need. This seminar is not about technical knowledge, it is about 'drive' and 'motivation'. Problem is, nobody can give them that. It has to come from within.

[PhxMJ]

When is RK giving a seminar on "How to Give Seminars and Make Millions"? I think that is the one I would attend since that is the real Fastlane plan he is executing.

[mglshark]

My one seminar with RK was many years ago thru Learning Annex - 500 people jam in a room for a couple of hours listening to every word. Only thing I remember now was his jokes about being gay and going to jail. Not sure if he was trying to shock us or just his sense of humor. Don't shoot the messenger comes to mind, I might not like the person but the message is worthwhile. Even to this day listening to audio books by RK gets my mind thinking, maybe because they are general, inspirational, or subliminal, who knows, it works and I like it.

Yet I hear people on the radio that beat on him, they point out the flaws in the books (yes there are some), teaming up with Trump seminars, was he "rich", was there a "rich dad" and the whole "one size fits all" money recipes seminars (get rich quick in stocks / RE). Yes they are right on one level, yet missing the bigger picture overall.

I always like going to seminars just to hang out with other like minded people and feel good about myself and the direction I am going in. The price is right if I change my thinking and take action. A different class of people hang out at the higher buck ones then the freebies. Yet the people that need them the most can afford them the least.

Books are the cheapest source of info, then audio, manuals, videos and finally bootcamps / mentoring the highest bucks. Just more $$$$ means faster learning and use - hey I'm paying I'm using! The library and the web are free (like this forum) and really can give you the classroom education we all need. The other side is taking action, falling forward and learning from the school of hard knocks.

Since the web open up the used market for this specialize info (really cheap) through E bay / Amazon anybody can self educated and have $$$ left over to used for mentoring or to "do the deal". Think about it - 10 years ago we would spend big bucks to see the marketing giants at seminar like Dan Kennedy, Jay Abraham, Jeff Paul, Marc Ross, Carton, Hartunian, Legrand, etc. I just bought some used CDs, DVDs, MP3s, tapes and handouts for less then $200 total - 5 courses from different guru's including full bootcamps plus usual seminars, etc. with the bonus crap included.

Most of these guys I seen in person or listen to before but like the message they have.

Bottom line - the cost to go to one decent seminar for one day (without air fare, food or hotel) I get several different full courses to go through and pick want I need to know now. Heck, Jay Abraham course along is 35 CD's! One CD 3 and already got several ideas to help my attitude and my businesses.

I think the web has lowered the cost barrier for people to learn. As an avenue for revenue yes you can make money but don't depend on it by itself, too easy for people to either copy you or resell your info for cheap. That is why the guru's still tour (like rock bands) the internet alone cannot keep you living in style.


IMHO! Hope I did not rant too much -


mglsharkson

[Russ H]

mglsharkson-

I *do* find value in books/tapes/CDs. I can replay/reread them, and get the message hammered home (it's hard for me to remember everything the first time I hear it).

But to me, taking a class on how to invest in RE or the stock market is kinda like taking a class on how to ride a bike, or play baseball. Sure, you can get some good info and pointers. But you're going to learn more-- and how to do it faster-- by getting on that bike or picking up the mitt and ball.

Looking at it from a different POV, you can take 100 courses on how to ride a bike, or play ball. But until you actually *do* it, you're not going anywhere.

Going to a high-priced seminar about getting motivated *does* put you in with a different group of people-- but the difference is just that they have the money to spend on the seminar, not in their actual motivation.

If they were truly motivated and executing their PLANs, they wouldn't be at these seminars-- they'd be too busy DOING.

-Russ H.

[mglshark]

Russ H -

I agree with most of your points - but often find people in the crowd doing deals often bigger then the seminar speaker. In one case I JV (joint venture) with another guy to give a new seminar to his group which in turn it grew into 3 new businesses spin offs over several years. Another case I JV with a RE guy (met thru RK cashflow board) which we flip several properties successfully during the RE bubble. And finally one seminar I got to speak and in turn was scoop up by another "doer" for his seminar groups.

In these cases these guys were "doer's" yet they go to seminars as well. But I understand your POV that doer's are too busy executing their plans to go to seminars yet I seem to find them. The seminars I pick are not generic stuff, more high end specialize stuff. Maybe the type of seminar attracts like minded people find each other through the ether which makes things happen. Finding people that want to start a bike factory to make money rather then talk about riding a bike for a fee. I do agree spending more money on how to ride a bike without actually doing it is a waste - look at the seminar junkies. Been there, done that.Rather be a seminar doer. Take more action,get feedback and really learn.

Generic seminar for "rah rah" I pass. Specialize info for business, marketing, web - will consider.

Anyway my thoughts,

mglsharkson

[Russ H]

mglsharkson-

Great points.

As someone who goes to seminars here and there, I understand your enthusiasm for them.

I don't go to network-- but I suppose sometimes it just happens.

That's how I met Diane Kennedy, and in a way, why she's here on the fastlane forums.

All b/c I went to a RK seminar in Sacramento (only one I've ever gone to) a few years back.

Until you made these points, I had never looked at it that way before.

-Russ H.

[Midrange]

Kiyosaki is a joke....I'm glad people are seeing the light.

[Russ H]

Midrange-

I'd be a bit careful on these forums about throwing out comments like that.

Someone is likely to ask you to back up your words.

Hey, why not.

Here you are:

http://www.thefastlanetomillions.com...0683#post30683

-Russ H.

[unicon]

Rk site lead me to this site (a linking protocal???). Just got an invitation to a Seattle seminar on How to Find Great Deals, will probably go as it takes time, organization, and knowledge to put these together and I can take the pill in a couple of hours.

Like going and they never get any money out of me (zero based spender) as most information is already in the authored books. However information from these have made me alot of money - see penny stock thread.

Time is the common denominator which draws one to a seminar or this site for that matter - efficiency and capacity. Time will also tell if these are prioritized.

[Midrange]

Originally Posted by Russ H

Midrange- I'd be a bit careful on these forums about throwing out comments like that. Someone is likely to ask you to back up your words. Hey, why not. Here you are: http://www.thefastlanetomillions.com...0683#post30683 -Russ H.

Hehe....I like how you created a thread just for me.

I responded, take a look.

[Merkin Man]

And thankfully, that thread is now closed.

Don't know who closed it, but whoever did, thank you from me...for the obvious reasons!!!

[fanocks2003]

The worst part about RD forums is peoples continous discussions. They never do. I have low tolerance for people who never do and who has a low flexible mindset. Nothing worse than that.

[Seniorpreneur]

Why is it that a lot of people are not putting a lot of emphasis on financial education these days when the need is so important? I think it would be great if Canada gets to participate in more effective RD Forums or for that matter in ANY kind of financial education forums. This is why I'd like to see a paradigm change for seniors where education is really a lifelong learning process. My 'seniorpreneur project' hopefully will go in this direction.

Joe Wasylyk
Seniorpreneur

[Phil]

I was pondering whether or not to join RD - is it worth the money? Espescially when I get so much out of reading TFTM at no cost?

I'm looking to get the best info I can on aquiring assets in order to develop my plan to wealth. So I can't afford to spend my time listening to pessimsits and negative individuals who have nothing to contribute and procrastinate.

However the original rich dad poor dad is probably the most enlightening book I've ever read and I really want to play the cash flow e-game.

I just don't know if it's worth joining.

[fanocks2003]

Originally Posted by Phil

I was pondering whether or not to join RD - is it worth the money? Espescially when I get so much out of reading TFTM at no cost? I'm looking to get the best info I can on aquiring assets in order to develop my plan to wealth. So I can't afford to spend my time listening to pessimsits and negative individuals who have nothing to contribute and procrastinate. However the original rich dad poor dad is probably the most enlightening book I've ever read and I really want to play the cash flow e-game. I just don't know if it's worth joining.

The only problem as I see it is that RD forums has a very low participating activity. RD Insider TV has interesting information from time to time.

When it comes to RD books. The first book is the best in my view. I have played the Cashflow 101 e-game (has it still). It is a good game when you start out in understading fundamental investing. But it is also a little bit limited in terms of what you can do with it.

I wouldn't want to bash RD at all. RD is a great start, see it as a ground building opportunity and then move on to heavier information. The more you play your game (real life) the more skilled you will become.

[hatterasguy]

I was a mod over their for awhile. I was annoyed and left because they wouldn't let me do what needed to be done. I have been a mod over at a very active Mercedes forum for years and know how to handle one.

When I deleted the nut jobs post's they just called the RK company and got them put back on. We couldn't even ban them.

Its their fault the forums went to hell.